OTS 191: Turning Grant Funding Into Mental Health Advocacy in Schools
- Jayson Davies
- 2 days ago
- 39 min read
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Welcome to the show notes for Episode 191 of the OT Schoolhouse Podcast.
In this Episode of the OT Schoolhouse Podcast, Jayson Davies welcomes Dr. Jamie Hunter and Dr. Kaisa Syväoja from The College of St. Scholastica to discuss how OT practitioners can utilize grants to advocate for mental health services in schools. Learn how grants can expand your OT practice beyond traditional tier three services, whether you're looking to fund a sensory room, provide professional development, or implement a school-wide mental health initiative.
This conversation demystifies the grant-writing process, offers practical tips for finding and applying for grants at the federal, state, and local levels, and highlights the power of collaboration to sustain impact beyond the grant period—making this a must-listen for OTs ready to expand their role and amplify OT’s value in schools.
Listen now to learn the following objectives:
Learners will identify how to apply for grants (both small and large) to expand mental health services and other OT initiatives within school settings.
Learners will understand how to effectively advocate for occupational therapy's role in supporting mental health at all tiers (especially tiers 1 and 2) within school-based practice.
Learners will develop strategies for creating sustainable partnerships and programs that can continue beyond initial grant funding by demonstrating OT's value to school administrators and staff.
Guest(s) Bio
Jamie Hunter, OTD, OTR/L, AFWC
Jamie Hunter is an Assistant Professor, Academic Fieldwork Coordinator, and Co-Director of the Department of Education Mental Health Service Provider Grant at The College of St. Scholastica in Duluth, MN. She has over 27 years of professional experience in school-based practice, pediatrics, leadership, and fieldwork education.
Kaisa , OTD, OTR/L
Kaisa Syväoja OTD, OTR/L is the current Program Director for the Master's of Occupational Therapy program at The College of St. Scholastica and the co-project director for the Mental Health Service Provider grant funded through the U.S. Department of Education. She has a background working with a variety of practice settings including early intervention and school-based practice. Her recent work has been focused on providing mental health related occupational therapy services within school-based settings .
Quotes
“It’s opened my eyes to how school-based practitioners can practice. It expanded my practice and just different ways that I see school-based practice and where the future of school-based practice can be.”
— Dr. Jamie Hunter
“It’s a lot of collaboration and co-teaching with counselors, teachers, and really focusing on the prevention and promotion aspect of just positive mental health and well-being.” Dr. Jamie Hunter
“If you are an idealist and a visionary, find someone who’s a type A analytic.”
— Dr. Kaisa Syväoja
”You have to be able to sort of build your project around their timetables. So that's something also to think about, is it's nice to have like a longer range plan, where do you want to go as a district or as an OT? So then when those grants open up, you're able to apply for them.”
— Dr. Kaisa Syväoja
”Those businesses in your community, if you see them out there supporting your local school district…that probably means that business is interested in supporting endeavors that might be related to occupational therapy.”
— Jayson Davies, M.A.,OTR/L
Resources
👉Every Moment Counts - Susan Bazyk's program for supporting mental health in schools
👉Autism Level Up - Program developed by Jack and Amy
👉Energy Meter - Tool developed by Jack and Amy at Autism Level Up
👉Grants.gov - Federal government grant resource portal
👉Mental Health Service Provider Grant - U.S. Department of Education grant program
Episode Transcript
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Jayson Davies
Hey there, and welcome to episode 191 of the OT school house podcast. Thank you so much for being here. I am your host, Jayson Davies, and I'm excited to have you here. So I think I speak for a lot of school based ot practitioners when I say even just the idea of submitting a grant seems too daunting to even consider. Am I right? If I'm not, please reach out, because I want to know what grant you have submitted. But if you do feel that way too, the next 54 minutes or so will definitely help to calm your nerves and also help to see how maybe a small grant can help you to implement a new change in your schools, whether you want to build a sensory room or organize a library of tools that you can share with teachers throughout the year, or maybe you even want to bring on a full time or part time employee to support a program that you designed. This episode will help guide you to do just that. Today, I'm thrilled to welcome Dr Jamie Hunter and Dr Kaiser savoya from the College of St Scholastica. Dr Hunter brings over 27 years of professional experience in school based practice, pediatrics, leadership and fieldwork education, while Dr savoyes serves as the program director for the Masters of OT program and has extensive experience in both early intervention as well as school based practice. Together, the two of them are leading a groundbreaking mental health service provider grant that's transforming how ot practitioners approach mental health in the school setting. And so if you have ever wondered how maybe a grant could support you and the practices that you want to implement at your school site, you are in the right place, we'll explore how to effectively utilize these grants to support your practice, implement mental health initiatives across all of the MTSS tiers, and also create meaningful partnerships within your district. So let's go ahead and dive in.
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Hello and welcome to the OT schoolhouse podcast, your source for school based occupational therapy tips, interviews and professional development now to get the conversation started, here is your host. Jayson Davies, class is officially in session.
Jayson Davies
Jamie Kaiser, welcome to the OT school house podcast. It is such a pleasure to have you here, and you know we're going to be talking about grant writing within school based OT or not, particularly the writing process, but the actual using of grants to help school based occupational therapy practitioners. And I'm excited to have you here to talk about that, to get started. I would love to let you both share a little bit about where you are in your ot career, kind of how you got here, and why supporting grants or helping school based ot practitioners get grants is so impactful for you, Jamie, would you like to kick us off?
Jamie Hunter
Sure, absolutely. Thank you, Jayson for inviting us to speak today. I am Jamie hunter. I am school based practitioner by heart. I think I practiced for 23 years in a school district in Wisconsin, prior to shifting to academia, I am now currently the academic field work coordinator for the occupational therapy program at the College of St Scholastica in Duluth, Minnesota. I work alongside kaisa as co director of our mental health service provider grant, and it has been an absolute whirlwind, you know, over the last few years for us to be able to grow and develop programming we are supporting area school districts. And so it has just been It's opened my eyes to how school based practitioners can practice it is has expanded my practice and and just different ways that I see school based practice and where the future of school based practice can be.
Jayson Davies
Love that I appreciate you sharing how school based OT is kind of been supported by your expansion beyond just school based OT, and you know how grant writing can really support you. So kaiza, what about you? I'd love for you to share a little bit about your background and your your passion for grants and school based occupational therapy.
Kaisa Syvaoja
Yeah, thank you, and thank you for having us today. This is a topic that we love to talk about. We spend a lot of time talking about it, so we're happy to be here. My name is kaisi suvoya. I am the Master's Occupational Therapy Program Director at The College of St Scholastica, and like Jamie said, I'm also the CO Project Director for a mental health service provider grant when we embarked on this journey. And Jamie puts it very eloquently, like it has been a whirlwind of a journey, but it's been really exciting. We launched this particular grant initiative being one of the first ot programs to be able to be awarded this particular grant. And that has really. Shown us what OTs can do and how we can practice at the top of our licensure in so many different ways. I too came from school based practice. I worked in rural practice settings, so I've worked in a lot of different settings. But prior to coming to academia full time, I had been in rural school districts. I had a really big caseload birth to 21 and I think that this particular grant showcases all that OTs are actually able to do within those spaces, and a lot of it is advocacy. It's advocacy that we see on the ground with these particular grants, and it's also advocacy for all OTs to say, like, yes, you you have the capacity to be able to do this. And I think that's been the beauty of this particular grant, perfect.
Jayson Davies
You know, why don't we just actually go right into the grant that you both have? Kind of are working with that mental health service provider grant and share a little bit about what it entails. I know nothing about grant writing or about grants or very little, and I'm sure most of the people listening similar. So just share with us, kind of what the goal and what it looked like to potentially even get it, and what it's allowing you to do. Yeah.
Kaisa Syvaoja
So this was a depart federal us, Department of Education grant. So at the federal level, which has its own nuances. So if you're looking at for somebody, that's brand new, if you're looking at grants, there's federal grants, state grants, and then grants that are from outside of governmental organizations. So when you're dealing with a federal grant, there's a level of structure that goes into both the application and applying for it, as well as the day to day operations and the management of grants. So this particular grant was a mental health service provider grant that was really focused on training, so working with professions that are considered mental health within scope, which occupational therapists are within mental health. We know this as OTs. We've done a lot of advocacy in those areas, and so this particular grant was really intended to train individuals to be able to go into school settings and be able to provide some of those supports, to kid OTs, to school personnel to really address some of the mental health needs that our young people are experiencing today. This particular grant came from the bipartisan safer homes act. So it was something that came through Congress as a grant for expense. So that was sort of a little bit of the general context to that particular grant.
Jayson Davies
Gotcha, and you mentioned that it allows for training. Is this training occupational therapy students? Is it training ot practitioners that are already practicing, what does that what does that
Kaisa Syvaoja
look like? So our particular grant right now has been working with Level Two fieldwork students. So ot students obviously pre licensure and going out into area schools and completing one of their level two rotations through the school districts, with the primary emphasis on mental health and how ot can work within those school settings to support the mental health of kid OTs from an occupational therapy lens, wow.
Jamie Hunter
And I think if I can jump in and just add a few additional details when I think about the vision of what it was expanding and helping to fill the gap of mental health services. We're partnering with four area school districts to be able to provide additional supports. Many of them were in rural areas or areas where they just didn't have the services to be able to support needs of students. We're not only doing the training with this next generation of OT practitioners that could potentially be school based practitioners in the future or pediatric mental health practitioners in the future, but also being able to provide training to the staff, the teachers, the administrators, paraprofessionals, anyone that is working alongside our students. It's a lot of collaboration and co teaching with counselors teachers, and really focusing on the prevention and promotion aspect of just positive mental health and well being so that's kind of a nutshell of the beginning of our project.
Jayson Davies
Yeah, I love it. And, you know, we as as ot practitioners, we often reference like the 17 year research gap, how it takes 17 years from research to get into practice. And, and, yeah, you're potentially working primarily with the level two students. But how? Much of that knowledge is then going back to like what you mentioned, Jamie, the rest of the staff there, and it sounds like you might even be working directly with the staff a little bit education. But even more importantly, the OT practitioners that are supervising those fieldwork students. I'm sure they're learning a lot more because, I mean, I speak with ot practitioners, you know, every week, if not every day, and I often get I don't know how to support mental health on campus. I don't understand what that actually means. I don't understand what it looks like. You know, is that SEL or what is it? And so it's great that we are now supporting those students, and this grant is allowing you to do this, but in turn, those students are going to kind of spread the word and support others, which is fantastic, congratulations.
Jamie Hunter
Yeah, and our students enter additional training before they start their rotation, we built out training modules that really focus on understanding school based practice. What is multi tiered system of support. What is individual education plans? What is special education? What is all of those components? How do we begin teaching them additional avenues to explore pediatric mental health? What are the supports that they need to be able to be functional in those settings? And we relied on every moments counts. Susan basics, her, her work, that, that she has done, to develop that every moments count, programming autism level up. We referenced that and gave additional training for our students to be able to use the edge the energy meter that Jack and Amy, Amy, Amy, yes, that Jack and Amy have developed so definitely giving the students a forefront of learning before they even hit the ground, running at at the sites that they're Going to and the school districts that they're helping.
Jayson Davies
I love that, because those are not cheap programs for new practitioners to get access to, to learn from Amy and Jack and Sue basic and the entire team over at every moment counts. So that's awesome. Kaiser, did you want to add?
Kaisa Syvaoja
Yeah, I was going to say that that's a really critical element to what we've been doing is because what, what our students are doing, is a little bit unique in the sense that we don't have a lot of OT practitioners in the school settings that are doing this, in practice, in in a large scale. I think all of us as OTs do this, right? It's, it's foundational to who we are as providers, but we don't necessarily have that Avenue at the district level to be able to do this in a larger scale. And so a lot of the practitioners and providers right now are looking at it from approaching it from that tier three aspect, which I think is really important, right? We have a lot of kiddos at that tier three level that need additional mental health supports. What we are doing is focusing a lot more on that tier one and tier two, so preventative, and also those students that are more at risk. And I think that that's been really, a really great thing from a ot advocacy lens, because we are able to showcase at the district level. This is what you can use your OTs, and this is sort of your your return on that investment. But also that's been something that we've had to be really mindful of when we work with our level two students to say, you know, you're going to be walking into spaces that are going to look different. You're going to have to apply your ot critical thinking skills in a little bit different way, and so we've had to do a lot of that early training for them in order to be successful. And I think our students have really walked away with a lot of benefit from that.
Jayson Davies
Yeah, you know, I have so many follow up questions I just want to and we can touch on this maybe in a moment, but both of you have really mentioned that rural component, and how there aren't a lot of practitioners in the area using mental health, and this is just going to overflow. But before I do that, I want to kind of direct follow to that question, because I know with if you get a grant, you've got to kind of measure this, just like an IEP goal, you've got to measure in order to get potential future funding and whatnot. And so are you? I'm sure there's multiple ways you're taking data, but are the field work level two students then in some way implementing our project in their level two that kind of corresponds with this program?
Kaisa Syvaoja
Yes. Jamie, do you want to take that one?
Jamie Hunter
Yes. So our students absolutely are, they're doing projects. They're, you know, I think this last cohort of students that that we have out currently started doing some research. You know, even in their their coursework before, like, two semesters. Before they actually went out to rotations. And you know, they've done research to be able to develop programming and planning. Some of them were focused around teacher burnout and well being. How do we use cognitive behavioral therapy supports to be able to support the teachers we can't support our kids without identifying that we need to address teachers well being as well. You know our students when we think about application of tier two interventions, being able to develop some cafeteria interventions, some things that are happening at the resource recess level, all of our students, depending on the district needs, are meeting the needs of our clients, which are our districts in a variety of different ways. Some wanted those embedded strategies right in the tier one classrooms and our students have created an intervention menu to be able to push to teachers and say, What things are you needing in your classrooms? Is it movement and mindfulness? Lessons, is it growth mindset? Lessons? Are there ways that we can look at just regulation and CO regulation needs within your classroom? Our students are doing assessment to be able to determine what might be needed in a classroom. When we look at the population level of a classroom, or a whole cohort of sixth grade students, or do they look at more tier two, where it maybe is some smaller groups of students who might be at risk, and the teachers are bringing forward, hey, could we do an anxiety group? Or maybe we've got a tech dependency theme that's happening, and we can help address and provide some lessons. So those are just snippets of some of the projects our students have been working with, and it just depends each district has come forward with different areas of need to be able to support the students they have.
Jayson Davies
Yeah, I am totally resisting the urge to go on a deep dive with you all into MTSS, because I know that's not the topic of this podcast. We have other podcasts that we can save that for. But you mentioned all these wonderful things that are happening. Remind me again, how long have you all been working kind of under this grant?
Kaisa Syvaoja
So we are in our third year, okay? So we've been working with our districts, really, for about two, two and a half years, okay? And we've done a lot of build with that space. This particular grant was a non continued grant, so we'll be ending in December, so we'll we're sort of wrapping up our project as we have initially envisioned it. We've got a lot of things that we've got in the works, as far as how we're continuing this in other capacities, and those partnerships with our districts, because we've done a lot of really good work. The other piece with this too, is with a federal grant, there are specific things that we have to measure. This was a mental health service provider training grant, so we were really looking at like number of students that were trained and practitioners, number of placements, number of like recent hires, those types of things. So they're looking much more at that higher level space, which gave us a lot of opportunity to be able to really directly interact and meet those district needs. And then what we have done from an OT advocacy piece is we have really encouraged and focused on being able to disseminate this information to other ot practitioners, to other people that are going to interface with our districts in various ways, whether that's at the local level or nationally. So we've been a lot of different places, and that's that's been a really, I think a big benefit of this particular grant is we've been able to do that, and obviously having conversations with you that type of thing.
Jayson Davies
Yes, yes. We love conversations about it.
Jamie Hunter
Yeah. Even though it's been a non continuation, it definitely has planted seeds of how, how could this look? How can we continue this with sustainability? Specifically within our four area school districts, there are things that are going to continue that we've been creative to identify. How can we continue this, this work, but then also, at, you know, there is going to be that continued advocacy to to examine, how does this impact where school based practice is going in the future, you know, whether it's impacted individual OTs. And just saying, Hey, I never even thought I would be able to work in this area. Oh, I didn't know that the ESSA laws allowed for ot to work in this space. Yes, there is idea you could allocate funding to be able to support those preventative and promotion levels. So it definitely for me. I came from school based practice where I was mainly tier three. I. With IEPs, and I thought I was siloed in only being able to work with those on my caseload. And it really has opened up the opportunities to to see the possibilities of where I knew that we could work, even though I felt like I had the restrictions of where I could work, if that makes sense, yeah.
Jayson Davies
Oh yeah, absolutely. And, and I the reason I asked how long is because I actually want to look a little retrospective these four districts. Were you working with them actually, before? Did you have students going to those four districts?
Kaisa Syvaoja
No, we weren't currently working with students in this capacity, like we might have had field work placement students, in a general sense, going in, yeah, and doing what we consider that typical OT, but no, we were not doing this particular program or partnership with any of these districts prior.
Jamie Hunter
Yeah, they had gone there for a traditional school based practice, and it opened the door because we had the existing partnerships with these districts, but it allowed for expansion of, how can we really enhance this partnership to be able to support the district beyond just the student learning aspect of a level two student being taken by a ot at the district, perfect.
Jayson Davies
And that's exactly what I wanted to bring up. Is, what did it actually look like for our Level, Level Two students going before this program, right? These students were, you had students five years ago. They were going to school based ot placements, but they weren't going with this knowledge that they're now going in with. It sounds like they get one or two terms of education before they go into their field work on every moment counts, and autism level up and other programs that are fantastic. But have you seen, I guess, a big shift in what you know, your level two fieldwork students from five years ago compared to those that are going in today?
Jamie Hunter
Yeah, I would say yes, we've seen a huge growth with the students capacity for learning while they're on the site, but then also what they can bring as as resources to the districts that they're working in. And so previously, students that would go into school based practice in these four school districts, it was that traditional tier three, you know, caseload that that you see OTs typically working in, you know, and I think even from the our first year of the grant, there we were, what is our phrase, Kaiser, we were saying we were building the plane as we were flying it, right? So here we're building programming. We're building the different interventions. How do we assess at the group level? How do we assess at the population level? We're building things that our students could be using, reflecting now to the students who are out on rotations right now this group of students, we embedded them in research prior to going so here they immerse themselves in in the language of everything school based, all the language you know, it's a foreign language when you're a medical professional and you're going into the educational setting, right? And so it immerse them in that. It immerse them in the evidence based components that are going behind. What is school based practice, and what are the mental health components that are needed? And definitely in addition to those learning modules that we have the students do before they go on site, but then also the programming that our students and our field work educators have built over the last two and a half years. Now we have programming. We have things built so that we can really expand and begin to build those things at the district level. And so it definitely has made a huge difference, and students are feeling more confident in in that advocacy and being able to build programming for our districts.
Jayson Davies
Yeah, yeah. And on the flip side of it, because you mentioned right having that opportunity to collaborate, I'm sure you're also getting feedback from people at the district, whether it be teachers, other service providers, hopefully even administration. What has that looked like? Like? Are people like, Oh, I understand ot now? Or are they like, Oh, I'm surprised. I didn't know that ot could support mental health. Or, I guess, what are you hearing when? When other both OTs, but also non ot practitioners?
Kaisa Syvaoja
So all of the above you can probably imagine. You know, a lot of that goes back to the advocacy piece. So, you know, like when we first started those conversations, we got a lot of, oh, I didn't realize that ot could do that. Or some hesitancy is that, you know, is that a direction we want to go? You know, we sort of got the system and process, so there was a little bit of that as we have built the relationships. And I think as you are able to see. What your OTs in those schools are able to do to support the whole school, that conversation has really shifted to, you know, what else are you able to do? How can you expand these types of things? They start to come and see you as more of a partner in whatever those initiatives are at that district level. So I think a lot of that just comes back to continually being present and advocating for for us as as a profession, and then advocating for those kiddos too.
Jayson Davies
Yeah, yeah. Love it awesome. I just love how you know, it starts with just the fieldwork students, but then it expands so much beyond the fieldwork students and like, what I mean to extent you call that, like, grassroots advocacy, right? Like you just start with the smallest number of people that you can and just grow from there. And that's awesome. Kudos to y'all. All right, we have spent a lot of time really talking about the program, what it has looked for the two of you, and for the students and and for the schools that you work with, but now that we got everyone excited about what they can do if they get a grant, let's talk about grants. And first of all, is this something that is too overwhelming for a school based occupational therapy practitioner? Obviously, the grant that you got, the two of you got, is a little different, right? You were getting a grant to educate others so that they could make progress. But is getting a grant, whether it be federal or others, I don't even know what exists out there, feasible for school based ot practitioners that are, you know, working a 3540 hour week, absolutely.
Kaisa Syvaoja
I mean, will it be work? Yes, but I think that there's a lot of payoffs for that, you know, whether that's getting a smaller grant, and there are a lot of smaller grants out there, especially if you're looking at maybe just a school level or at the district level, and you're not trying to do, like, what we're doing, where we've got really big partnerships and placements and stipends related to placements, and, you know, that type of aspect, and you're really just looking at the implementation of an initiative like this, you can certainly find smaller grants that are going to support that, that are going to support some of those startup development costs, getting diversifying your assessments, and, you know, resources that You have at at the school level, and then also being able to provide some potential offset to your increased workload, or shift in that workload. I think that that's a big area that people need to be thinking about, if you're looking at it more from that practitioner level, is the school districts, especially if you're coming from a district that is short OTs, they're not going to want to pull you, even if you are really skilled and wonderful and can do all these wonderful things. And so being able to have some dollar amount, to be able to offset that, is going to be incentive to your districts, and it's going to help you get your program launched. There's a number of non government grants, but then at state levels, there's a number of states we're in Minnesota, so I pay attention to Minnesota, Wisconsin pretty frequently. But you know, there are state level grants that do come through. The big thing with applying for a grant, whether this is at the small level or the larger level, is really think what your project. Think through what your project is. Think through what are all the different elements of it. Have a really clear vision of what that is. And for OTs, that can be really hard, because we're good at everything. We can do lots of things. So narrowing that down being really concrete with what it is that you are able to offer how many people or kid OTs, or what's that impact look like? You know, how are you serving them? And what are your specific project areas are going to be helpful to somebody that is going to be reviewing that grant that is 99.9% of the time not going to be an OT. So you have to explain what OT is in a way that's tangible, and also not get tangentile in that explanation with really clear. This is my like to say, like the artifact. These are the things in the point that you can that you can see and walk away with,
Jayson Davies
yeah, yeah, absolutely. I want to touch on something you just said. But before I do, we're going to take a quick break and we'll be right back. We'll be right back. All right, we're back. And you mentioned this thing that, how do I phrase this? I thought about grant writing. I've thought about trying to figure out something, maybe even Donors Choose, or whatever that website is called, where other people finance things. But I always, to a degree, almost felt a a little bit selfish or b I didn't know what to actually ask for. And so I love that you brought up some assessments. I also really love that you brought up the idea of potentially compensation to bring on, like another ot practitioner to help out, even if it's a few hours a week. Yeah. Is that something you've seen practitioners do? Like, in I guess do you have to kind of, like, lay it all out on a spreadsheet? Like, I need these assessments. Is going to cost this much. I need a part time. OT, we have a contract company that we work with. It's going to be this much. And is that kind of what it looks like?
Kaisa Syvaoja
Yeah. So you would essentially be creating a budget spreadsheet. And within that budget spreadsheet you're going to have those operational things that you know are tangible things, you know, the assessments, the equipment that you need, the potential, you know, if you had to do any renovations, those kinds of things, right, that have a really easy attached dollar amount. The other part to that budget is your time like you have to see yourself as an entity, or somebody else as like you need to. You need to monetize that time in some way, whether that is yourself to say, Okay, this percentage of my workload is going to be covered through this and put $1 amount to that, and also then for the district, because now they're going to lose that person percentage of your workload for your traditional services that you had been providing that then you're going to need to say, okay, and I'm either going to work overtime, and this is going to be the percentage that The grant is going to pay me for overtime, so you essentially compensate that for yourself, or you're going to bring in somebody else that's going to be able to offset that cost, and you're able to pay for that through a grant source. Obviously, some grants don't allow for personnel, so that would be something you need to look at specific to your grant, but assuming that you have a grant that allows for you to build that budget, and they have, they have guidelines, and you're not just, you know, you don't guess here, um, they'll tell you, I can
Jayson Davies
totally see, sorry, really quickly, I could totally see, like, an OTs will therapist, like, going out, getting this awesome grant for like, $50,000 to help them, like, offset their work, and then being like, how do I give this money to the district? Like, just not understanding all that, but obviously, all the guidelines, or each grant has guidelines. Most of the times it goes through the district in some capacity, correct?
Kaisa Syvaoja
Yes, yeah. And this is where, like, obviously, like, you might have one person writing it, you might have one person envisioning this, but you're not going to probably go rogue and just, you know, create a grant, or apply for a grant and get a grant, and your district's not aware of it. So like, you need to have these conversations at the district level, or if you're in a cooperative, you know, with your cooperative, however you're however you're structured. So yeah, don't go rogue. But within that budget spreadsheet, like you really want to be thinking about, what are those tangible things, and also, what are those personnel aspects? Because that is what's going to make your grant successful. Because you can have all the most brilliant ideas in the world, and you might not have either time to do it, or there's nobody to be able to pay to be able to do this. And when you are looking at shortages of personnel, districts, cooperatives, whoever is paying you and building out that case so that they're going to be really protective of your time in those other spaces too, because they need you to be working with the kid OTs that they currently have. And we know that there's a lot of kiddos that need to be worked with for ot across the board. So these are really, really great opportunities to build my recommendation. If you're a practitioner looking at this, start small. You don't need to do a multi million dollar, massive project with all of these different aspects to it. Think about, what can you do if we're looking at like a tier one approach, and that's your focus. Like, what can you do in that classroom level? What can you do in those between classes times that's going to help with supporting the culture in a positive way at that particular school that you're working with, or that particular classroom that you're working with like these don't need to be huge, massive projects that are really challenging to organize. You can start small and then build that also is helpful. If you're working with a district that maybe is a little bit on the fence, or you've got teachers who don't really understand this, it's a good way for them to be able to see in small snippets what you are able to do and how you can support them, and then you can build from there, and whether that's through additional funding or they reallocate things at the district level, and you've got some release now for that, because now they're allocating dollars coming in from other sources to your salary. You know those are those are ways for them to be able to see it, but those grants are really helpful to be able to launch that, especially with a district that maybe doesn't have the means or resources to be able to do that on their own, or maybe doesn't understand what you are able to do as an OT in those spaces.
Jamie Hunter
And I think, yeah, I think, you know, like Kaiser said, Don't go rogue. It is you have a team. You know, many times you're working alongside counselors or teachers who have passion and have, you know, similar ideas. Start having conversations about, hey, I have this idea of how we could grow programming. I saw this grant right? How do you work collaboratively as a team? It may be something that you need to bring to administration and get that buy in too, right? And maybe, then, whether you're at a bigger district where maybe you might have some people who have been had experience writing grants, you know, that was my first taste. Is I partnered with a teacher and we wrote a grant for a sensory room, you know. So I think it's very feasible to be able to write those grants. But you know, having other eyes on it is another supportive measure. And and showing your district administration, hey, this is what ot can do. And how can we showcase this through grant writing? And here is the idea that we have to bring to the district to enhance what's already happening and and build from there. So yeah, definitely start small, but don't do it by yourself.
Kaisa Syvaoja
My big advice to this is, if you are an idealist and a visionary, find someone who's a type A analytic to read through and clean your proposal.
Jayson Davies
Yes, yes, I am the first and definitely need a lot of help with the person, people who implement so I totally understand that statement. I had a question, and you made me laugh, and I forgot about it. But no, the question is, is ot practitioners, we often go to our administrators in times of need, and the sense of I'm burnt out, I need more support to help me get through my already high case load. And we sometimes forget that when we go to our administrators, I find when we go to our administrators, we go with problems, and we don't often go with solutions. And I feel like this can kind of help us to go with a solution. Yes, it takes a little bit more work. Don't get me wrong, it does take hours beyond seeing kids, assessing kids going to IEPs, to sort this all out. But long term, it can support us. Is that kind of how the two of you see it?
Kaisa Syvaoja
Yeah, absolutely. You know it's, it's definitely some work on the front end and and I don't think it's a quick fix. So if you are a practitioner who is burnt out, this is not going to be just like the next day. Things are all wonderful. But the work that we have particularly been doing through the grant, and if you can get a grant to support this is sort of twofold, like you're able to do more at that tier one and tier two level, which, in theory, and we've seen, I think, good, good anecdotes to that this actually works. But you know, when you're working with tier one and tier two, you're preventing potentially more involved tier three needs, which, if you're a burnt out practitioner, can also be helpful, because maybe you're not working with them at a high intensity in a tier three IEP capacity, and you're maybe working preventatively with some of these kiddos so that you don't have as large of a tier three caseload. So that's where a benefit is. Obviously, that's not immediate. I think the other thing to just in context and have people think about is like, this will take time for you to learn and to get a system and process like we've been doing this now for a couple of years with our students. We've learned a lot along the way. Definitely, the way we're doing it now is not how we started, and if we could go back, it would probably be a lot easier. But, you know, those that first time that you're trying something new, it's going to take more cognitive load and also planning and work on your part, so you're putting more time in early, yeah, with the return hopefully later on, yeah, in different ones.
Jayson Davies
Yeah, absolutely. And Jamie, if I can come back to you, because you mentioned how you actually worked with the teacher to develop a sensory room on campus, I would love to just kind of get a quick overview of kind of how that got initiated and the steps that you kind of took to make that happen. Yeah.
Jamie Hunter
So in practice, when I was working for our school district, I was working with an autism teacher, a teacher that's specialized in in that area. At the high school, we did not have a resource room. We did not have a place that that students could go to decompress, to take a break, to get some of those sensory needs met. And so we had a local grant that the teacher was like, Hey, do you want to see if we can apply for this grant together and see if we can get funding to be able. To get the equipment that we need. The district was on board to say, hey, we'd provide a classroom space for you. We'd allocate that, but we just don't have the money to be able to buy the equipment that we would need to be able to support that. And so the grant was written to be able to get equipment. So we were able to get swings, we were able to get scooters. We were able to put mats in the room. We had lower lights, you know, all of those sensory based tools that that students may need, depending on on what where they were at with their regulation for that moment of time. And so it definitely was a great opportunity for us to apply for the grant. We received it again, those same factors that Kaiser shared before, we had to itemize everything that we wanted on our wish list. What would this money go towards? How would we spend it? We had to give like we were going through catalogs and absolutely writing down every single thing that we could potentially put in for the funding, and then we had to document that on the tail end side when we did receive the grant, to be able to spend the funding down.
Jayson Davies
So so just to demystify a little bit more, here you thank you for kind of sharing that last step that you really had to do, or several the steps that you had to do at the end of your answer. If, how long did it take from the moment that you guys, like, had this idea to actually being done with the process? Not like, how many hours it took you? But was this a week long project? Was it a years long project, months?
Jamie Hunter
So kaisa asked, Hey, do you want to do this grant?
Jayson Davies
I'm just talking about the small one. Not the not the big one, but like the small one, the small one that we're talking about right here, the sensory room, right?
Jamie Hunter
So the small grant that we did, gosh, you know, I think it was a meeting. We we met. We talked about, what does this look like? You know, I think we met a couple times. We had a shared document that we were growing and developing. The application process, I took over kind of looking, because OTs, we look at those sensory catalogs and equipment and things like that. A lot I took on that aspect of diving into what things would we want to go in there, how much money would each of those things cost? The teacher kind of took on more of the responses to, what are the questions? Why do we need this? What is the need? So we kind of tasked it out that way when we were applying for for the grant, you know. So, I mean, definitely it took some time and investment, you know, definitely a few meetings looking at that deadline, you know, are we meeting that deadline of when it needs to be applied and submitted? You know? So, and then on the tail end, once we did receive the grant, then it took a little bit more time again, going through the orders working with the district, because it had to come through the district where all the funding went, and, you know, the processes to get it all ordered and set up, and then the training, yeah. So then, after that fact, we had to do training to whoever was using that room so that we knew that the equipment and everything was going to be used appropriately. So definitely, when you're thinking about, what is your product, what are those outcomes? What are the components that you might need to invest in to make sure it's a successful run?
Kaisa Syvaoja
Can I jump in real quick just on some logistics for grants? Having some ideas in your head is a really great thing. You can write them down on paper. Obviously you're going to tailor your project specific to the funding requirements in the source. So you might have a big project that you have to make a little bit more tangible to that particular grant. So, you know, have that in the back of your mind. The other thing with grants, typically, they operate on cycles. So usually, you know, there might be a heads up for a grant, like, Hey, this is going to post, or we anticipate it's going to post at a certain time. But grants typically aren't just continually available. I mean, smaller maybe non governmental grants, you might have just a pool of money that's available and they do it on a rolling basis, but usually you're going to get a grant window time. So between, you know this date and this date, you can put in an application. And so you have to be able to sort of build your project around their timetables. So that's something also to think about, is it's nice to have, like, a longer range plan. Where do you want to go as a district or as an OT? So then when those grants open up, you're able to apply for them. Yeah?
Jayson Davies
Is the easiest way to find grants. Just kind of go on google search California education grants and kind of obviously type a little bit more details than that. I'm assuming every state's different and all that. But is that kind of the starting point?
Kaisa Syvaoja
Um, yeah. So. There's a couple of good places at the state level, like looking at your state websites are going to be probably your best options. And there's there's grants specific to individual elements or aspects of that state government structure. So you can apply to be on listserv and get email notifications when grants get posted at the state level. I do that for Minnesota, and that's across, I
Jayson Davies
think, like the Department of Education,
Kaisa Syvaoja
Department of Education, but it's really through, like, there's your state government, and it posed pretty much all grants, at least ours does within that that spectrum, as far as what you're wanting to sign up for. So that's one grants.gov is going to be your go to for federal grants. And that system, you know, once you're in it, it's a little bit clunky. You can sift and filter through and just look at forecasted ones or ones that are open. You can look at certain funding sources, so if it's us, you know, Department of Education, or an NIH grant, or something along those lines. It lets you sift through that way that's going to cover your governmental grants, non governmental your we have foundation level for, like, local areas, whether that's a city level or, like a couple of counties, that's usually a good place to start, because they might be pooling a number of people, or just reaching out to those foundations and organizations is also helpful to just say, Hey, we've got this project. We're looking at some funding sources, you know, what might be some local, you know, area dollars that might might be interesting to look at, and they're usually pretty useful.
Jamie Hunter
I think the local one, like, like I spoke to about funding equipment for the sensory room at the high school, right? That was a foundation locally. It was through a hospital, you know. So looking at your local organizations, sometimes those retail organizations that are local to you might put out small grant funds that that you can apply for funding. We've had some of our students apply for those at a retailer, and they've gotten $500 for equipment to help at middle school recess. Kind of you know, where they have some more equipment available for for students. So definitely different ways that you can look at exploring those funding options.
Jayson Davies
Yeah, that's a that's a good idea, like, because I know recently in our community, I think it's smart, and final, has been just kind of out there in the community. Really like doing things for our schools, and I almost see that as like a way to also potentially find they might not have a specific, quote, unquote grant writing or grant a program. But those businesses in your community, if you see them out there, supporting your local school district, if you see them out there, you know, maybe your city just opened up a new playground and it was provided by or sponsored by this business. Well, that probably means that business is interested in supporting, you know, endeavors that might be related to occupational therapy, and so reach out to that company, and maybe it's not a formalized grant or something, but they might be able to support you in some way. So great idea.
Kaisa Syvaoja
One of my best advices is go with a project. Don't necessarily go and ask for the money. Just go and say, Hey, I've got this idea. I'd love to be able to talk to you about it. You're not asking for anything. You're just having a conversation. So you know, starting there for those smaller partnerships and conversations, that works really well, then you can go back and ask later, or they might offer something.
Jayson Davies
Yeah, yeah. You never know. You never know. I would be remiss if I didn't ask this question, is chat GPT helpful in any of this?
Kaisa Syvaoja
Well, we didn't use chat GPT when we developed our grant. That was still a little bit before chat GPT was very well versed. Yeah, I think that there are some benefits, you know, being able to put in, like, if you're brand new to building spreadsheet related stuff, don't really know what you should be including help with definition of terms, that type of thing. I think AI can be a really useful tool to sort of help structure that narrative or pull out aspects of that document. Maybe as far as developing and building I don't think that any of our AI sources are that adept at the nuance of OT especially if you're wanting to build a innovative and new project. I think that AI generative AI is really good with things that it already knows a lot of what you are wanting to do, hopefully and be innovative and creative. Hopefully, AI doesn't have a really great idea looks like. So you're going to have to build that aspect of the narrative for sure. But I think it can help with some of the nuts and bolts, maybe of some of those grant writing resources.
Jamie Hunter
And I think if you. Have that idea and you're like, okay, am I addressing this question to the detail that they're wanting? You could run it through an AR generator, you know, is it more clear? Is this? Can this be more clear and concise? Is this, you know, am I addressing all the components that is in this application and have it be like a second set of eyes to just say, is there anything else that I could expand on? Is that a way that you could use that tool? But again, I think you still need to have those ideas. You have to have the build of it and use it as a supplementary support. It's not going to generate everything that you're going to need?
Kaisa Syvaoja
Yeah, and I review grants. We still have humans reviewing grants, at least at this point. I think it'll be interesting. The next couple of years, are we going to see generative AI doing screenings for those initial grants? So that might be something interesting to pay attention to. Like, are they screening out certain things. If you don't have certain words in that initial application, to my knowledge, that's not something that's happening at this point, but that might be a way of also pulling in generative AI for the future to say, Hey, do I have all the key words and target things that this particular grant might be looking at, so that you are at the top? But when somebody is reviewing a grant, they want to hear your story. They want to hear what's what's really exciting about what you're doing, how it's going to impact your local community, or whoever it is that you're working with, like that's what they want to see. So you have to be able to showcase that.
Jayson Davies
I love that. That's a great I think that's kind of a great wrap up here. I was going to ask you both for one more tip, but I feel like you all have given so many great tips throughout this entire episode. So unless there is one more thing that you kind of have on the tip of your tongue and you really want to share, I wanted to ask if is LinkedIn the best place for someone to find you, potentially, if they have a question, either specifically about the program you're working on, maybe a quick grant question, or maybe they're local to you, just want to you. Just want to support you. Is that the best place for people to find you?
Kaisa Syvaoja
Yeah, this is crazy. You can certainly reach out to me on LinkedIn. I'm pretty active there. Love to connect with anybody and everybody.
Jamie Hunter
Yes, I would say the same. You know, I guess the only other thing that I think about is that, can this be done without grant funding? I think another advocacy piece is thinking about your ot practice and what things you may want to expand in your practice. There is always partnerships. You have local ot programs in your state. Are there ways that you can collaborate to help build some ideas and programming and just being able to expand where we are with school based practice.
Jayson Davies
Absolutely, that is a great wrap up. Kaiza Jamie, thank you so much for coming on this show, sharing so much about your grant that you received, and congratulations on getting this all like you're at the finish line now. Congratulations on that. That is amazing, but also here to support others who might want to do something similar with grant. We really appreciate your time, your energy and, of course, your knowledge.
Kaisa Syvaoja
Thanks for having us.
Jamie Hunter
Thank you, Jayson.
Jayson Davies
Thank you. All right, and that wraps up episode 191 of the OT school house podcast. Thank you so much for tuning in all the way to the end. I want to, of course, extend a heartfelt thank you to Dr Jamie Hunter and Dr Kaiser Savoia for sharing their incredible insights on how ot practitioners like us can use these grants to advocate for mental health within our school sites, as we've learned today, grant writing doesn't have to be super intimidating, and whether you're looking to fund a sensory room or provide professional development or implement A school wide Mental Health Initiative, there are resources available to you to help expand your practice and better serve your students. If today's conversation inspired you to think differently about your ot practice, or want to do more within your ot practice, I encourage you to join us over inside the OT school house collaborative. This is where you'll find additional resources, professional development opportunities and direct mentorship from myself and other school based ot practitioners to implement what you've learned today. Together, we can elevate school based ot practice and make a lasting impact on our students and, of course, our school communities to learn more about that head on over to OTSchoolHouse.com, slash collab and join our growing community of innovative school based ot practitioners, until next time. This is Jayson. Thanks so much for joining us, and remember the small steps that you take today will lead to big changes in your practice tomorrow. I'll see you next time.
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